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	<title>Comments on: To Gmail or not to Gmail, that is the question</title>
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		<title>By: The All Mighty Green One</title>
		<link>http://www.xmonk.org/2007/01/15/to-gmail-or-not-to-gmail-that-is-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>The All Mighty Green One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 15:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Developer&#8217;s Love Affair With Web&#160;Programming&lt;/strong&gt;

We are currently experiencing what some call the second coming of the Internet bubble: Web 2.0. However it is defined or interpreted is the &#8220;wave of the future&#8221;. We already experience it with the fervous activities of several developer comm...</description>
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<p>We are currently experiencing what some call the second coming of the Internet bubble: Web 2.0. However it is defined or interpreted is the &#8220;wave of the future&#8221;. We already experience it with the fervous activities of several developer comm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TBD &#187; Blog Archive &#187; apps inside the browser</title>
		<link>http://www.xmonk.org/2007/01/15/to-gmail-or-not-to-gmail-that-is-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>TBD &#187; Blog Archive &#187; apps inside the browser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 03:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] yes green IMO webapps are the future, it&#8217;s just that we don&#8217;t know what they are going to evolve [...]</description>
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		<title>By: enmanuelr</title>
		<link>http://www.xmonk.org/2007/01/15/to-gmail-or-not-to-gmail-that-is-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>enmanuelr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jorge: How is the technical definition of a browser helpful in this discussion?! Please explain this to me, because I just don't understand. I know what a browser is, I know what it's for, and I know how web apps are used from it. I am using one at the moment while I write this. By any chance did you read the 3rd or 4th clarification of my argument? Maybe then you can come up with a sane counter argument.

Subscribing to POP is easier than subscribing to web mail. All you have to specify is name, user, password and server. THAT'S IT! The registration form has too much information which is not relevant to the user. Does the fact that the POP configuration form is inside an application and not a pretty page in a browser make it inherently harder to complete? Because I really don't see how it's simpler.

Please read, think... think some more, then reply. Because you are not making any sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jorge: How is the technical definition of a browser helpful in this discussion?! Please explain this to me, because I just don&#8217;t understand. I know what a browser is, I know what it&#8217;s for, and I know how web apps are used from it. I am using one at the moment while I write this. By any chance did you read the 3rd or 4th clarification of my argument? Maybe then you can come up with a sane counter argument.</p>
<p>Subscribing to POP is easier than subscribing to web mail. All you have to specify is name, user, password and server. THAT&#8217;S IT! The registration form has too much information which is not relevant to the user. Does the fact that the POP configuration form is inside an application and not a pretty page in a browser make it inherently harder to complete? Because I really don&#8217;t see how it&#8217;s simpler.</p>
<p>Please read, think&#8230; think some more, then reply. Because you are not making any sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge</title>
		<link>http://www.xmonk.org/2007/01/15/to-gmail-or-not-to-gmail-that-is-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sorry I guess you haven't check
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browser
"in computer science, a user interface that allows navigation of objects with a connecting structure"

as for the imap/pop3 thing I didn't said impossible I said complicated a lot more complicated then opening a browser and post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry I guess you haven&#8217;t check<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browser" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('a/en.wikipedia.org');" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browser</a><br />
&#8220;in computer science, a user interface that allows navigation of objects with a connecting structure&#8221;</p>
<p>as for the imap/pop3 thing I didn&#8217;t said impossible I said complicated a lot more complicated then opening a browser and post.</p>
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		<title>By: enmanuelr</title>
		<link>http://www.xmonk.org/2007/01/15/to-gmail-or-not-to-gmail-that-is-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>enmanuelr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 19:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jorge: You are arguing in my favor. The wii's online enabled applications and games are a testament to the fact the distributed applications once again will predominate the market. THIS IS GOOD.

My objection is to EVERYTHING HAS TO BE INSIDE THE BROWSER. This state of mind is a problem. As I have stated before. There are certain application which make a lot of sense inside a browser, for these applications, great, lovely, awesome, rock on!. Many do not. Many are usable, but don't offer the same experience as a desktop applications. Web apps have their place, and desktop apps have their place. One will not be able to replace the other without sacrificing some feature on either side.

The "future" most likely holds a place where you will have a mixture of web, and desktop applications, most connected to the net in one form or another, offering you different types of services.

The reason why I insist it's a fad, is because we have this wave of fanaticism that will not stop until everything is online. This mentality is what I foresee will degrade over time. Developers mind share will once again become more balanced between the different available technologies for distributing services. Everything is cyclic, the universe (and the market) tends towards balance.

This is my objection, please have it clear if you plan on continuing to contradict me.

You should swing around here, and check out that you kind of stated something that's not entirely true. I don't know, didn't understand the sentence very well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imap#Multiple_mailboxes_on_the_server</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jorge: You are arguing in my favor. The wii&#8217;s online enabled applications and games are a testament to the fact the distributed applications once again will predominate the market. THIS IS GOOD.</p>
<p>My objection is to EVERYTHING HAS TO BE INSIDE THE BROWSER. This state of mind is a problem. As I have stated before. There are certain application which make a lot of sense inside a browser, for these applications, great, lovely, awesome, rock on!. Many do not. Many are usable, but don&#8217;t offer the same experience as a desktop applications. Web apps have their place, and desktop apps have their place. One will not be able to replace the other without sacrificing some feature on either side.</p>
<p>The &#8220;future&#8221; most likely holds a place where you will have a mixture of web, and desktop applications, most connected to the net in one form or another, offering you different types of services.</p>
<p>The reason why I insist it&#8217;s a fad, is because we have this wave of fanaticism that will not stop until everything is online. This mentality is what I foresee will degrade over time. Developers mind share will once again become more balanced between the different available technologies for distributing services. Everything is cyclic, the universe (and the market) tends towards balance.</p>
<p>This is my objection, please have it clear if you plan on continuing to contradict me.</p>
<p>You should swing around here, and check out that you kind of stated something that&#8217;s not entirely true. I don&#8217;t know, didn&#8217;t understand the sentence very well.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imap#Multiple_mailboxes_on_the_server" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('a/en.wikipedia.org');" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imap#Multiple_mailboxes_on_the_server</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jorge</title>
		<link>http://www.xmonk.org/2007/01/15/to-gmail-or-not-to-gmail-that-is-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a couple of things

@green pop as I said is NOT made to be handle by more then one computer, IMAP is not available to many email users even worst configuring a server for it. (is very complex at least that is what I have been told)

I never said gmail invented anything they made it better, let me say it again since it seems you didn't got it, the way gmail handle threads is way better then any other client, the fact that they took out the tree is genious.

passing fad? so I'm nostradamous?

web as a platform doesn't makes you sacrifies stuff it's a whole different concept. of course 3d apps like WoW are not implemented inside the browser because they are all moving over to the consoles (at last) but are you forgetting about the wii number, the fact that all  games are online in some way or another, they ALL have a server they are already there.

About bittorrent you may want to stop by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllPeers

@xmonk yes I agree with you we have a lot of infastructure problems to solve until everything is online all the time

sorry about point number 1 that was with green

but again to gmail or not to gmail, the only two issues I see with gmail are privacy (gpg,ssl,etc.) and offline access, other then that the userinterface beats the crap out of everyother one.</description>
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<p>@green pop as I said is NOT made to be handle by more then one computer, IMAP is not available to many email users even worst configuring a server for it. (is very complex at least that is what I have been told)</p>
<p>I never said gmail invented anything they made it better, let me say it again since it seems you didn&#8217;t got it, the way gmail handle threads is way better then any other client, the fact that they took out the tree is genious.</p>
<p>passing fad? so I&#8217;m nostradamous?</p>
<p>web as a platform doesn&#8217;t makes you sacrifies stuff it&#8217;s a whole different concept. of course 3d apps like WoW are not implemented inside the browser because they are all moving over to the consoles (at last) but are you forgetting about the wii number, the fact that all  games are online in some way or another, they ALL have a server they are already there.</p>
<p>About bittorrent you may want to stop by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllPeers" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('a/en.wikipedia.org');" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllPeers</a></p>
<p>@xmonk yes I agree with you we have a lot of infastructure problems to solve until everything is online all the time</p>
<p>sorry about point number 1 that was with green</p>
<p>but again to gmail or not to gmail, the only two issues I see with gmail are privacy (gpg,ssl,etc.) and offline access, other then that the userinterface beats the crap out of everyother one.</p>
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		<title>By: nav1</title>
		<link>http://www.xmonk.org/2007/01/15/to-gmail-or-not-to-gmail-that-is-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>nav1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Elvis was being sarcastic, in that it seems the whole deal has already been solved by "someone", hence, no point in discussing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Elvis was being sarcastic, in that it seems the whole deal has already been solved by &#8220;someone&#8221;, hence, no point in discussing.</p>
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		<title>By: tamgo</title>
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		<dc:creator>tamgo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivan: I agree with you completely. Please look at my first post. I was referring to the current wave of "everything has to be web". I was referring to developers taking the web approach for making when application when it makes sense, and when it doesn't. I was referring to the notion that EVERYTHING has to be online and viewed through a browser, and until we get there, the world will remain in it's imperfect state.

You may think this is an extremist notion, but there are a lot of people who think in this fashion. There are a couple that spend 9 hours sitting in chairs that are but a few meters away from yours.

I agree that the thin client is making a come back. But I am sure you will agree that the exclusive form of thin client IS NOT WEB, there are other alternatives that within the appropriate circumstance, are far superior to former. The applications that I stated earlier are all good examples of this.

And yes I agree, grammar does make a body good :p.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivan: I agree with you completely. Please look at my first post. I was referring to the current wave of &#8220;everything has to be web&#8221;. I was referring to developers taking the web approach for making when application when it makes sense, and when it doesn&#8217;t. I was referring to the notion that EVERYTHING has to be online and viewed through a browser, and until we get there, the world will remain in it&#8217;s imperfect state.</p>
<p>You may think this is an extremist notion, but there are a lot of people who think in this fashion. There are a couple that spend 9 hours sitting in chairs that are but a few meters away from yours.</p>
<p>I agree that the thin client is making a come back. But I am sure you will agree that the exclusive form of thin client IS NOT WEB, there are other alternatives that within the appropriate circumstance, are far superior to former. The applications that I stated earlier are all good examples of this.</p>
<p>And yes I agree, grammar does make a body good :p.</p>
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		<title>By: xmonk</title>
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		<dc:creator>xmonk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elvis, please don't refrain, and let me know, where it is my confusion lies; because I don't think I'm confused, I may have not made my thoughts clear, but I don't think I am confused.

And thank you for adding me to your rss client. Hope you enjoy the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elvis, please don&#8217;t refrain, and let me know, where it is my confusion lies; because I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m confused, I may have not made my thoughts clear, but I don&#8217;t think I am confused.</p>
<p>And thank you for adding me to your rss client. Hope you enjoy the show.</p>
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		<title>By: nav1</title>
		<link>http://www.xmonk.org/2007/01/15/to-gmail-or-not-to-gmail-that-is-the-question/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>nav1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jorge: Grammar.... it does a body good

IMHO gmail is the best web email service, so good that I wish the work email was also gmail based (though I guess anything would be better than that). However, would I use it for private, sensitive or business-related information? Absolutely not. I guess it's a matter of what you want you want to do with your email. Web emails are designed for general use, such as sending photos, catching up with friends, things like that.

@Tamgo: Though I agree with you on that there's an over-predominance of so called "Web 2.0" apps (Beta!), I wouldn't go as far as to label it a fad.  The types of services that are being created and their improvements every day, are only proving the great benefits of the thin-client approach, so I'd expect even more sophisticated types of services to follow, though I guess that's what you referred at the end of your post. Bottom-line: It's not a fad, it's a movement that will can only continue forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jorge: Grammar&#8230;. it does a body good</p>
<p>IMHO gmail is the best web email service, so good that I wish the work email was also gmail based (though I guess anything would be better than that). However, would I use it for private, sensitive or business-related information? Absolutely not. I guess it&#8217;s a matter of what you want you want to do with your email. Web emails are designed for general use, such as sending photos, catching up with friends, things like that.</p>
<p>@Tamgo: Though I agree with you on that there&#8217;s an over-predominance of so called &#8220;Web 2.0&#8243; apps (Beta!), I wouldn&#8217;t go as far as to label it a fad.  The types of services that are being created and their improvements every day, are only proving the great benefits of the thin-client approach, so I&#8217;d expect even more sophisticated types of services to follow, though I guess that&#8217;s what you referred at the end of your post. Bottom-line: It&#8217;s not a fad, it&#8217;s a movement that will can only continue forward.</p>
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